MobiFlight Community Support

Welcome to the forum for MobiFlight! Feel free to reach out to the community in case you have questions, issues or just want to share great ideas or details about your latest home cockpit project.

You like MobiFlight? Donate via PayPal and support the MobiFlight development. Thanks! 

icon
Avatar
fazli
Posts: 83
Hi all simmer,
Have a long day not open read forum.buzy build force feedback motorized.
Now i no have usb port.final project overhead panel.using 6 to 7 arduino mega.i look a market many choice usb hub .
Question is
1.what suitable usb hub 2.0 or 3.0
2.some factory come with power supply 5v.can i add aditional power supply for more power and stable the power incase the power drop
3.using power supply old pc(diy)

https://www.facebook.com/Flight-simulator-home-cockpit-DIY-1187019641432506/

Tq for help
Regard
Fazli@lee sharudin
2019-09-24 06:22
Avatar
pizman82
Moderator
From: ETSI, Germany
Posts: 2921
Supporter
Hi

The first question is interesting..... If Somebody got detailed information i be intrested, too.
I personlay think (NOT confirmed) that the data transfer rate from the Arduinos and the Computer is so extremly small that a 15 years old USB 1.x Port is already mutliple times faster as needed. So for transfer rate i "think" its no matter what USB you use.
A fact is maby that USB 3.x support more electrical power as i know.... But here we also must think about the limitations of the Mega itself (800mA) and we should finaly never reach it.

(PLEASE if my information is wrong and Mobiflight realy work better with a USB 2.0 or 3.0 , then correct me)

**********

About Power.
Here Stephan is your Man.....

From my point of view i can say....

1. Nobody use the additional Power suply connector on Arduino.
Normaly most users simply plan there Cpockpit in a way that Inputs (no need of power) and Outputs like LED are splitted over multiple boards in same way.... So you finaly have a max Power of 500mA per board.

2. A good Idea is to use Powered Hubs.... There a own power suply will support 500mA to each Port on the hub (indipendent from the PC Power) .

3. High power used devices like Motors can be powered external..... So you can give +5V from a external suply to a Motor. As i know its just important to share the Ground with the Arduino where the Data lines of Motor are connected ( or the whole system)

4. All Elements that not need a Controll by a SIM Value ( For example Backlighting) can be done completly external. This save you much of Arduino Ports and Power Managment !
[Last edited by pizman82, 2019-09-24 09:21]
Good Luck !
2019-09-24 06:45
Avatar
fazli
Posts: 83
I know power supply 5v can directly to stepper motor and ground connect to arduino.how about digit segment display max7219.
I want to stable current digit number max.my mcp radio transponder panel some time look like over bright and another one like not very bright.some time.

Tq
Regard
Fazli@leesharudin
2019-09-24 12:52
Avatar
pizman82
Moderator
From: ETSI, Germany
Posts: 2921
Supporter
Normaly Max7219 need verry small power. Here a "external" solution is not needed.

The problematic Optic can occure if you use a long chain. Thats why i recommend to make short chains or simply connect every Display (maxtube) single.

Please also confirm your Maxtubes are reworked ( remove diode) or you power all tubes in the chain directly to 5v Arduino Power.
Building Chains ( with a shared 5v from tube to tube) is only possible with removing the diodes. Specialy if you use chains with 3 or more Tubes.
Good Luck !
2019-09-24 21:15
Avatar
StephanHo
From: EDDG, Germany
Posts: 1371
Supporter
Hi fazli,

whether USB 2.0 or USB 3.0 can basically be answered as follows:

The speed of USB 2.0 is quite sufficient for MobiFlight and the Homecockpit applications.
Theoretically, USB 2.0 can guarantee data transfer rates of up to 480Mbps. That's about 48 MB / sec. Even the best captain in his cockpit can not move the switches so fast. USB 3.0 transmits up to 5 GBit / s, which is 500 MB / sec, which is 10 times more than USB 2.0

These high speeds are not needed in our hobby for external wiring.

The power supply looks similar. According to the specification for USB 2.0, a current of up to 0.5A or 2.5W can be taken. For USB 3.0 is 0.9A or 4.5W.
Now comes the mandatory ABER: The power supplies, which are delivered for the USB hubs, have a max. Current of 3.5A. Some HUB power supplies deliver only 2.0A of power.
These power supplies are designed so that never all ports on the hub the max. Can supply power, because 10 x 0.5A = 5A and 10 x 0.9A = 9A.
The power of the power supply is designed so that individual ports only temporarily the max. Electricity can or should deliver. A permanent current consumption at the limit can not work.

For the MEGA, it does not matter if it is connected to USB2.0 or 3.0. This does not increase the transmission rate (the MEGA can deliver a maximum of 16 MHz) or the current to be extracted, because the max. Power loss of the MEGA remains independent of USB.

Pizman is so right with his consideration of power consumption!

To the MAX7219 modules. Again, I agree with pizman in principle.
The 7219 module PCBs have a design flaw that affects each time the modules are connected in a chain.
The reason for this is the diode D1 present on the PCB. It serves solely to protect against reverse polarity, which would otherwise inevitably destroy the MAX chip.
The problem with the daisy-chain is that 5V are connected to the 1st module. Through the diode, the 1st module is only operated with 4.3V, since the missing 0.7V drop across the diode. These 4.3V are now forwarded to the next module and thus the second module (identical to module 1) is operated with only 3.6V, since again drop 0.7V across the diode of the second module. At the 3rd module, these 3.6V, diode, only 2.7V !!! The MAX7219 requires a run datasheet but at least 3.4V for trouble-free operation. Thus, the voltage for the 3rd module is no longer enough!
The different voltages can already lead to perceiving different brightnesses on the displays. As an external power supply synonymous benefits nothing.

Solution:
1. Remove the diode D1 from all MAX boards and replace it with a wire jumper. Then the 5V run over board 1 to board 2 to board 3, etc. All boards have the same supply voltage and there are no brightness differences (except those caused by component production)
2. Each board is powered separately with 5V directly and the diode remains on the board. Then all boards run only with 4.3V, but there should be no differences in brightness.

Basically, the brightness of the tubes can be manipulated. On the board there is a resistor in SMD construction with the inscription 104 for 10kOhm. This resistance must not be chosen smaller, it would destroy the MAX chip. I myself exchanged it with my modules and made good experiences with a value of 47kOhm. If you like, you can put a potentiometer (say 250kOhms) in series with the 10kOhm resistor and experiment with it a bit. Then measure the potentiometer and add the 10kOhm. Then use this value.

With these and pizman's hints, you should be able to make a decision whether to use USB 2.0 or 3.0. Likewise, you are able to assess the brightness differences of your displays and determine the cause. The differences in brightness should therefore also be a thing of the past.

Please let us know which type of USB you have chosen and you could solve the problems with your display.
Grüße,
Stephan
2019-09-25 13:21
Avatar
fazli
Posts: 83
Hi,tq all.
I will update my progress sim latter.i am waiting shipping order 2.0 usb hub 10port.come with power cord plug 5v.
2019-09-26 07:25
icon